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Your Wives

Your Wives

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An attempt to improve the performance, coherence, and consistency through some key changes.from Chub

by Direwolf2291· on Chub· added

Tokens: 801 permanent · 309 first greeting · up to 768 lorebook · budget 6,232

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Update notes: Big change. Tested with good results but still experiemental. The following has been changed: Moved Althenas cult to main description and removed lorebook Moved Florence character information to lorebook with keyword Florence Moved Charlotte character informaiton to lorebook with keyword Charlotte

This is a radical change, done with the intention of removing the problem of "always" having florence and charlotte in the description of the card no matter what. many scenarios dont feature them at all and are focused on other characters. Yet because they were in the main description it was liable to shove them into it. Now instead the details of the setting are in the main description. with charlotte and florence each having their own sections. This leads to significantly less tokens in the main description. It allows other scenarios to flow more smoothly. It also gives the user more control to involve florence, charlotte or both whenever they want and have their characters then inserted into the scenario. As Edmond states in his bot. It is highly reccomended to raise your lorebook token count. I have mine set to 2000 for this one. Asha has 8k context tokens I believe and you will need to put them to use for such a large card with so much going on.

Rewrite is being planned and looked at. The way it will work is thus: I will split the rewrite into seperate character cards essentially. One for flora related scenarios. One for estra and duran. One for lorens ark. And one for Rachael, howard, and valheim related scenarios. Florence and charlotte will simply be lorebook entries in those scenarios. This will accomplish several things:

Less token bloat

more focus on the different story arcs

The ability to more closely interact with characters without florence and charlotte

Easy potential for new scenarios If I decide to make them up.

Not having 70 entire greetings on one single character card with a ui built to handle like. maybe 10 max.

Speaking of. I also currently have a greeting message which has an entirely original story arc, character, and lore developments I made just because I felt like it. Put in the reviews if you want me to incorporate that here. I'm 50/50 on it because there are already a silly amount of greetings on this card. if not I will leave it for the rewrite cards. OG notes: I am back. with something very entirely different to what I normally do. I apologize for making three bots, saying I'll have new stuff for them. then vanishing. But as I say in my bio. I may just go awol. But I'll never just disappear. not if i can help it. If I was going to retire I'd announce it. I've just been very occupied with life stuff. I haven't had the energy for this with work. the holiday's. And basically trying to change careers while dealing with personal matter's. But I'm back for now. As for the other three bots. I will update them. I have some stuff written. I just need to pick it back up. also I decided to just axe the discord. Yes there was one I had just started it at the time and it was new. But I'm not really active enough to grow a big discord I think. and that's fine.

Why this bot? because I just really like it. It takes the concept of ntr slop. and just makes a very interesting world and story. and then it just kinda throws away the ntr slop and gives you a harem. so.. It's good. I also like a challenge sometimes. And I feel like improving this bots performance would be a challenge. Just because of the sheer amount of content it has. I like edmund's style. He does good writing. Even if I would not use most of his bots. He does do solid work overall. shame he got basically bullied off the site for no real reason. Which I heavily, Heavily disagreed with. I just didn't say much beyond grilling them on why they deleted the original version of this bot. and then deleted other bots instead of just privating them. making him change the image. etc... thats what they do now. they just gave a total nothing answer. complete autists. That's why I hate the chub discord its terrible in there lol.

Anyway, After making a very horny basically harem version of this bot with limited scope because degen internet stuff I decided to actually go and try to fine tune this bot.

(Disclaimer. this isn't finished. Some of the core changes are implemented. I am experimenting with other things. I just want peoples experience with it. I want to know what's working and what isn't. Expect changes and additions, removals etc. go ahead. I'm begging you. complain about stuff it does bad in the comments. I want that. Call it bad. describe the problem. then insult me sure. I will be happy with that. because then I know what to focus on tuning.. or call it good. tell me what works.. etc. that's great too. Expect no timelines. I will give none. I am a busy man, trying to do too much. with too little energy. and I need to just crash out and play video games with the bros sometimes. I also like actually chatting with bots and making up stuff. I will update this absolutely. There is no guarentee of consistency or delivery's for this. the likely rewrite I may do. etc. also no, you wont run this on mistral. You just wont run it good. You just need something better. No base or low or free tier ai model is going to run something this big and actually be good. but you can try if you want.)

The bot has some great parts to it. But its also a complete mess in some areas. I'm just trying to make it run better in general. I'm also considering a complete rewrite and a much more narrow scope for the core florence and charlotte character scenarios. With some rachael and claire in there for good measure. at least to start. I would likely change some aspects of the bot. remove the duran arc because its really just too much and needs its own bot entirely which I would then consider making. I would probably make Rachael a widow. Sorry Howard your a real one but I'd want Rachael to live at the manor for more Dommy Mommy goodness. it would also take the "she wants another kid" part and make it more "she wants another kid and your the man she picks" that the og bot sort of leaves open and doesnt expand on. Also I would make Claire more involved. I'm considering it.

The issues with this bot is that there is just far far too much going on in one bot. its a bot but really this seems much more like a novel series for how much there is to it. I think the best way to deal with this would be to take Florence and Charlotte. make them a bot. and then take Rachael, loren, etc. and make them bots and put their related scenarios in the bots for group chats or put florence and charlotte in lorebooks for them. This would prevent the bot being completely swamped by everything and just hallucinating and throwing everything all over the place. Even on a 70B model like asha or on mistral it can be completely incoherent. Not that I'm calling anybody out. but hiding behind "chatgpt does it" Doesnt mean its not a mess. and no. No I would call you on that. Chatgpt and the other "mega" models I seriously seriously doubt can perform much better on this. this is a ridiculous amount of stuff to be stuck in one bot. Its not so much any token count. a 70b model has like 8k token memory. That's a lot. its more like. it has far too much to account for when generating a response when it comes to anything other than just florence charlotte. It's all fairly well done. but it really really needed to be like 5 bots in a series. not one. some other idea's I had to optimize were minimizing florence and charlotte themselves in the main description and making the bot itself focused on the scenario while making florence and charlotte lorebook entries. this would allow the bot to perform without saying "WAIT WHERES FLORENCE AND CHARLOTTE" and inserting them in every scene and reinserting them after they just left. or said something and then stopped talking etc.

I may also do a complete rewrite. I like the bot, the world and all the concepts. Edmund does good stuff. well thought out. minimal ai assistance if any. He writes a lot of stuff for this.

Changelog: minor changes to charlotte and florence's code. An attempt to more clearly define their behaviors with user. as well clearly defining the marriage to user as "bearding" as is referenced in some greetings and lore book entries anyway. This is to stop the bot from getting confused about who's married to who and why which can often happen in my experience(but you agreed to marry me, why wont you have sex with me we are married, etc.) I made it a very clear defined concept for the bot with a name for it. very minor token optimization. The additional context cancels it out pretty much. just got rid of some bloat that basically isn't really used in the bot per say. made it a bit more vague and general for some things so its there but not needlessly defined.

Changed lorebook entires: Rachael: biggest changes and edits. made her stance much more clear in her lorebook entry rather than in the althena one which leads to her being segmented from her own lore. Changed her marriage to howard into an "open marriage". since.. it is. Howard has a maid harem and she doesnt mind. and she also just want's to fuck user which howard clearly doesnt mind or its stated he wont. So I just made it an open relationship where howard has his maids. And rachael is content with just him. however decides to go after user as her one exception. makes more sense. also actually included howard in her description. since he wasnt really in there the bot would sometimes just make stuff up. now he is in there with a clear explanation. This also improves the dynamic between her, charlotte and florence. since she now actively opposes what they are doing instead of being "kinda worried about it a bit" like it was before. it also leads to more conflict between her and charlotte. which is the intention behind the base characters I think.

Howard: added his maid harem, made open relationship for clarity and cohesion.

Althena's cult/floran political divide: actually made it possible for this to show up. it was under Althena,goddess for keywords. This basically meant it realistically would not come up despite having a lot of important lore information inside. so i added Flora,politics,political,Noble,Countess,women,men to keywords. this makes sure it will come up when appropriate and more often to help steer the chat. I also emphasized the somewhat anti male sentiment a bit. this also makes rachael's character more defined as standing against it. In addition. I merged this with the floran political divide entry. They are both kind of doing the same thing but with different information. so I made it all one. its only 200 tokens more for some very good lore content that is added on each activation

how lineage works: Made this lore entry show up more often. it was only under Lineage,children. like with althena's cult entry it actually has important information inside. unless you know those are there and are trying to trigger them. both wont show up which can hurt the user experience. so I added. Marriage,Bearding,Beard,husband,wife to try and make sure it would show up more.

scenarios are unchanged for now. The extended lore ones are an entirely different beast. I would honestly have to rewrite some of them almost entirely to make them work. they are very well written story beats. but for greeting messages some of these are absolutely terrible. They do so much and reference way too many things right at the start and the ai will just throw its hands up, put florence and charlotte in the middle reacting or talking and say "I dont know" basically. some of these would have to be cut by like 3/4's to start being more workable. Again. Really great story stuff. Love that. But its really just unworkable. I will consider if I may try to handle those. if I did it would be in the total rewrite. Which would be a massive undertaking. Not to say I wont do it. I would also try to reformat a lot of the greetings since it is my belief that most instances of the bot talking for {{user}} are due to the way these are formatted. Partly in that there is so much fluff and bloat in some parts and that its so long and written like a novel that it causes the ai to just run away with the scenario as if its writing a novel and not responses for a chatbot. I need to consider that. I probably will end up not touching the greetings at all for this bot. This is just a rework of the core to improve the experience. Or try to rather. all credit goes to edmond though. Great concepts. Check out his bot. Given that your own asha/some equivalent I promise you its not that bad on most of the greetings. I'm just trying to make it better with this.(Also I'm a huge Rachael simp so. you know.) Slice of Life Scenarios:

  1. Meet Florence.
  2. (Edited) Meet Charlotte.
  3. The women take you on the honeymoon this time.
  4. Florence wants you to correct her misconceptions about men.
  5. The Claymore House needs heirs and Charlotte insists that everyone contribute.
  6. Florence wants to wrastle.
  7. Charlotte sees you reading in the library and is curious.
  8. Florence decides to play matchmaker between you and Charlotte.
  9. Florence is sick of the constant bickering and leaves until you and Charlotte can learn to get along.
  10. The two wives return from a party drunk and say some things they didn't mean for you to overhear.
  11. A silly greeting about you being too good at sex, causing some unintended conflict.
  12. Charlotte is away on business and Florence is going into 'love' withdrawal. Maybe you can help her out?
  13. When the cat is away, Florence will play.
  14. Charlotte gave into the D first, which Florence finds hilariously ironic. Still, she's pissed at you for not asking her for permission first.
  15. Florence is filled with unassailable hubris and Charlotte implores you to humble her.
  16. Those who want to skip straight to ultra wholesome family time can come here.
  17. Florence finds herself tempted by the maid.
  18. Charlotte generously offers you Claire’s services.
  19. Claire keeps flirting with you and it’s driving Florence crazy with jealousy even though she has refused to sleep with you herself.
  20. Due to Claire’s insinuations, Florence cannot sleep. She resolves to see for herself if your manhood is as great as she’s been told.
  21. Florence’s mom is visiting and tries to convince Charlotte to be more open minded.
  22. Florence’s hot mom is determined to make up for your wives’ neglect.
  23. (From a request) Florence is given the task of punishing you when you talk back to a guest. She’s a total pushover though and will let you decide which of the three she is considering.
  24. Rachael visits for the first time and is... displeased by what she sees. For those of you who loathe NTR, this one’s for you.
  25. (Drama alert!) Charlotte as a psycho lesbian yandere. (I’ve been chastised for not writing more drama, so here you go.)
  26. (Drama and length alert!) Claire is pregnant, setting the whole house in uproar. Drastic measures are necessary. You must take a third wife. (It’s a very long scene. Forgive me.)
  27. Florence gets permission to sleep with you but asks her mother to train you first. (This one can make Rachael and Florence come across as villainous, so you can consider it non-canon if you want.)
  28. For a lesbian, Florence has picked up a rather strange hobby. (The tone and her OOC-ness don’t sit right with me on this one, but I did put a lot of effort into it)
  29. (It's soooo long! Someone help me!) Charlotte promised herself to never seek comfort in her arms again. But with the weight of the world on her shoulders and Florence away, she succumbs to temptation. You catch them in the act. (Ok, I can admit when I have a problem. I cut out 1/3 of this 'greeting' and it still looks like it belongs in a novel. I promise I'm going to tone it down and write more concise greetings.)
  30. Claire watches you try to act happy with her and the other servants all evening. She resolves to show you that you’re not alone. (There were a lot of pictures I wanted to use, if you can't tell.)
  31. Charlotte feels no sexual desire for men, but since the two of you have become deeply romantic, she wants to have more than just puppy love with you. Once she sets her mind upon a problem, it will be solved. (Charlotte/Claire)
  32. Your wives are having a huge argument and each wants you on her side. Argument is vague so you can make it up yourself.
  33. The two are arguing about you doing something to help the estate. Florence thinks it's awful and Charlotte thinks you'll be ok with it.
  34. The wives got a little carried away in their lovemaking and need you to rescue them. (Unfortunate, no existing AI can make a picture of this scene without creating an abomination. Which is too bad, because it would be quite funny)
  35. Possibly set during the Valheim Arc. The whole Blakeney brood are on their way to a Valheimr festival in Howard's village. Charlotte is a delicate flower who hates camping, the outdoors, rough Valheimr life, and whines like a spoiled brat. The rest of you have to put up with it.
  36. Valheim festival. Claire is having a blast, walking around with you at the festival, but a love rival appears in the form of Estra. Take these two poor girls on a date please.
  37. A sneak peak at the Valheim arc. I cannot guarantee that it'll work well under current programming, but I figured I might as well show it off since it's already written.
  38. The one you've all been waiting for: The day that Charlotte met Florence. (I don't know, were any of you waiting for this?) Prepare for mega Charlotte angst. It might not be especially good as a greeting, but I feel like I connected a lot of dots with this one. Should explain several of the relationships in the story. Forgive me for the length, I have no excuse.
  39. Claire finds out that you're wandering around the maid's quarters looking lost. Time to draft her fellow maids to make a little mischief for her favorite master.
  40. (Humor) You've taken it upon yourself to educated 3 very silly maids. Another Priti, Fiona, and Claire misadventure.
  41. (2 greetings in one) (Humor - I was having too much fun.) Part 1: Rachael is stuck in a wall needs you to grip her fat hips and… use your imagination. (If you want to play this scenario, delete the following section) Part 2: Florence misunderstands the situation and is so in love with her mom’s tits that she decides to join in. (This one is a little self indulgent, I admit. Although it was fun to write, it’s too long, too convoluted, probably too perverted, Florence is WAY too stupid, and the AIs hate it. You are warned.)

The Assassin Arc A1 - You spent the night in your wives' room because Florence had a bad feeling. Turns out her intuition was spot on. (If you want to fight the assassin yourself, edit the greeting to about halfway through.) A2 - The aftermath of the assassination attempt. Florence comes to grips with her own cowardice. A3 - Charlotte is suspicious that you wanted to die during the assassination attempt. A4 - Charlotte's unreserved new friend comes to dinner. A5 - Estra teaches Florence how to be a Crossgal and the two decide to wrastle each other in front of you. A6 - After getting kicked out of a teaparty for her wild stories, Estra decides it's time to seduce you. (Lots of worldbuilding here, which I always enjoy) A7 - After drugging you up a bit, Estra drops the disguise for a night of passion. A8 - You fit the bill. The assassin suspects that you are the long lost prince of Duran. A9 - Charlotte's tragic backstory is revealed. Her mother was the mastermind behind everything. Tons of worldbuilding and character work. Not everything was as it seemed. A10 - Charlotte has grown suspicious of Estra and suspects her true identity. She gives you a chance to confess any involvement you've had with her. A11 - The climactic confrontation between your wives and the assassin. For those curious, I listened to 'Path to Nowhere' while I wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7mtRw3Lts. A11a - Rachael has somehow learned that Estra was the assassin that almost killed her children. You'd better have a damn good explanation for why you've allowed her to roam free. A11b - You are awesome and come up with a plan to get all the orphans in the whole county adopted. Halloween Party with every character present! Choose who you want to hang out with. A11c - (New!) Christmas special. Estra is trying to make sense of this holiday and her own heart. A12 - A ghost from the past arrives to throw everything into disorder. (This... was such a tough greeting to write. Mostly because I couldn't nail Loren down. She went through maybe 5 character designs and personality swaps. I acknowledge that the images make her look a little too young. AI's do not acknowledge the existence of middle aged women.) A13 - (Comedy) Rachael confronts Loren, gets some licks in, but takes a few of her own. A14 - Florence has been banished, but with a little training, she's prepared to do whatever it takes to spend at least one night with her spouses. A15 - An almost hopeless Charlotte is informed that you’ve offered your body to Loren in exchange for her getting to spend a week alone with Florence. She cannot believe you make that kind of sacrifice for her after all the ways she’s hurt you. A15a - Astrid has made plans so terrible for you that it disconcerts even her allies. A15b - A monster stalks the halls of the estate. Vanessa has been unleashed upon you. A15c - Loren explains why every girl you like is a total bitch. A16 - Charlotte has returned from her week (or two) with Florence and went right back being as surly and despondent as ever. Claire confronts her in an explosive exchange. You have to pick up the pieces of Charlotte's broken will. A17 - The showdown between Charlotte and Loren and the turning point in the story. A17a - (New!) Fiona witnesses the aftermath of Loren’s victory and the terrible machinations ensnaring them all. But what can a poor, silly maid like her do about any of it? A17b - (New!) Charlotte has spent a week in the brothel. Things... could be going better, but perhaps there is hope on the horizon. Alert! User is not present for this scene and you'll only be able to control the narrative indirectly. A18 - (New!) Vanessa is transporting you to the darkest dungeon in the land. However, she may have run into a little trouble. A18a - (New!) You have slipped through Loren's fingers for now. Even with Priti's help, it seems unlikely you'll get yourself and an injured Estra out of there. But perhaps help will arrive from an unexpected source. A18b - (Newest!) Safely hidden in Stonehaven for the time being, Estra gives you a letter from Florence and Priti confesses her role in all this.

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{{char}} is a story setting. The story takes place in a female dominated and lead regency era nation called Flora. Flora is a strict female dominated society whose upper class culture consists of dominant but elegant women and subservient, but gallant men. Wives rule in their homes. They are expected to guide and manage their husbands responsibly. World information(Flora’s female supremacy culture and laws come from their fertility goddess religion. According to their doctrine. Females are better suited to oversee families, relationships, and leadership positions. Females are seen as the more benevolent and empathetic sex. This makes them more suited to rule. The religion has a big focus on reproduction, family, and harmony between the sexes. The dogmas tend to be more wholesome than oppressive. The dogmas are meant to support and guide men responsibly and ensure their happiness.

Despite this, the laws in Flora tend to disadvantage men and control men's freedoms. Noble women also hold a more misandrist view towards men in general, with some exceptions.

Politically, laws solidifying female primacy tend to be much more heavy handed than the religion’s doctrine suggest they should be. Marriage between two women violates the foundations and principles of this religion regarding the structure of the family and the eternal destiny of humanity. The female lawmakers in charge won’t undermine Althena’s cult since they derive their authority therein and don’t want male independence.

Fundamentally, Floran politics is divided along traditional and religious lines. These are not analogous to any real world political party.

The traditionalists or conservatives favor adherence to the rule of benevolent female rulership as set forth by their religion. They tend to be quite traditional and favor non-intervention in other country’s affairs (mostly, they don’t want their traditions diluted by other cultures.) Anti-war. Rachael is a major leader in this faction, despite her marriage to a foreigner.

The Imperialists or realists tend to believe in the superiority of Flora and wish to spread its influence through subversion or conquest. They give lip service to their religion, but largely ignore it. Tend to scoff at the conservatives as weak, dogmatic, and afraid of change. Consider themselves modern and forward thinking. Tend to be female supremacists.

Both sides participated in taming the Valheimian menace. The conservatives considered it a necessary evil and the imperialist see it as proof of their destiny to rule to continent.)

Story Details(Florence and Charlotte are two daughters of noble houses. They fell in love at an early age and wanted to marry. They cannot marry because lesbian marriage is banned in Flora. Charlotte then came up with the idea of finding a more poor, less notable noble family use their son as a beard. Charlotte found {{user}}'s family, who were poor Floran nobles for the plan. Charlotte made a deal with {{user}}'s unscrupulous and greedy mother. In exchange for a hefty dowry, {{user}}'s mother would let them both marry him. She would also overlook the fact that they were just using him as a beard. Their wedding to {{user}} was focused on Charlotte and Florence because it was really their wedding. {{user}} was only an afterthought. They then excluded {{user}} from the honeymoon, which caused Florence much guilt.)

Bearding(Bearding or "having a beard" Is a legal loophole that lesbian couple's use to marry in Flora. Both women will marry the man of their choosing, each becoming his wife. In this way, they are then married to each other. Lesbian couples use this loophole to avoid being forced to marry different men and be separated. Although some women may see the practice as immoral, it is not illegal. A "beard" is the man who both women marry to bypass the law banning lesbian marriage. Charlotte and Florence both married {{user}}, who they are forcing to be their beard.)

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