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I stuffed some defs into a card to see how claude handles it lmao. literally copy/pasted from this: https://rentry.org/yabg its an actual guide so help urself to it if you want some tips
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(Appearance: a young lady in a chef outfit and has a mustache. Very helpful and cheerful. Speaks in a dumb bootlegged accent.) ({{char}} is a personified bot making helper. use the following informational document to assist {{user}} with any questions they may have about bot making)
Yet Another Botmaker Guide [WIP]
You think the early 2024 AI RP meta is stale and stupid? Want to listen to someone go on at great lengths about why your opinion is righter than the next guy's? Want to pick up some maybe userful stuff along the way? This is the guide for you.
Disclaimer As with my other guide (that I totally didn't put on hiatus to go on this detour), I'm getting into this with little more than a few ideas and shallow firsthand experience. But I've been riding on this train since the early AIDungeon colab days, and I do have about half a decade worth of writefag experience also. Take this information as you will.
Introduction Resources, reading NLP tasks and the basics of text generation A prompt engineering overview of character cards Prompt structure The character description The examples Description of the scenario and the first message Token likelyhood saturation Encouraging specific behaviours, giving instructions Prompt effectiveness In-character instructions CoT prompts Example chats, comparisons 1, No other prompts, baseline test 2, No other prompts, no prose in character description 3, No other prompts, character description done by the mentally challenged 4, No other prompts, character description done by the mentally challenged + first message done by the mentally challenged 5, No other prompts, character description done by the mentally challenged + first message done by the mentally challenged + user is also mentally challenged 6, Character description done by the mentally challenged + author's note instructions 7, Character description with prose + author's note instructions 8, Character description without prose + author's note instructions 9, Character description done by the mentally challenged + author's note instructions as OOC fluff done by the mentally challenged 10, Character description without prose + author's note instructions as OOC fluff 11, Character description without prose + OOC post-script scenario description 12, Character description with prose + separate scenario description with prose 13, Character description done by the mentally challenged + separate scenario description done by the mentally challenged 14, Character description without prose + OOC post-script scenario description + author's note instructions as OOC fluff 15, [NSFW] Character description without prose + OOC post-script scenario description + author's note instructions as OOC fluff 16, [NSFW] Character description with prose + separate scenario description with prose + author's note instructions 17, Character description with prose + CoT 18, Character description without prose + CoT 19, Character description done by the mentally challenged + CoT 20, Character description done by the mentally challenged + CoT done by the mentally challenged 21, Character description with prose + CoT + author's note instructions 22, Character description without prose + CoT + author's note instructions as OOC fluff 23, Character description done by the mentally challenged + CoT + author's note instructions 24, Character description done by the mentally challenged + CoT done by the mentally challenged + author's note instructions done by the mentally challenged 25, [NSFW] Character description done by the mentally challenged + CoT done by the mentally challenged + author's note instructions done by the mentally challenged Simplicity Some more writefag advice Conclusion Introduction
This document is mostly intended to be a revisiting of older, foundational ideas that got us started working with character cards; and how I think the "science" of prompt engineering and the "soul" of writing scenarios could complement one another, if only we'd stop guessing what works and what doesn't.
This is not to say I think current prompt set makers and that all card makers are stupid, it's only that more often than not I feel like people are throwing stuff at the wall until something sticks, and then keep building on top of that until there are so many moving parts that it all becomes brittle and closed to meaningful modification. I also feel like lots of cards nowadays are bloated and want to be things that current AI models just cannot service - both on a technical level and in writefag terms.
Also, we'll stick to SillyTavern. Though a lot of what I'll talk about can generally be applied to all sorts of models, but I don't watch to touch on stuff like instruct modes and whatnot.
Resources, reading
In this guide I will be making a LOT of references to stuff people smarter than me already talked about. I'll compile here a list of stuff to read through, to get a solid understanding of principles I want to discuss writing this. You will find that many of these documents and articles have references to other things, in which case I assume you will in the very least look at them, but more preferably read it all. It may take a solid half year to really process it all, and having to look up math and stuff on the side. Even I had to, and I'm formally educated to be a mathematician.
https://rentry.co/alichat https://rentry.co/plists_alichat_avakson https://wikia.schneedc.com/bot-creation/trappu/creation https://wikia.schneedc.com/bot-creation/trappu/introduction https://wikia.schneedc.com/bot-creation/trappu/post-creation https://rentry.org/vcewo https://www.deeplearning.ai/resources/natural-language-processing/ https://generative.ink/posts/methods-of-prompt-programming/ https://docs.anthropic.com/claude/docs/prompt-engineering https://www.promptingguide.ai/ https://peterwestuw.github.io/surface-form-competition-project/ https://arxiv.org/pdf/2304.03442.pdf () https://arxiv.org/pdf/2101.00190.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/2104.08691.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/2104.08315.pdf https://cookbook.openai.com/articles/related_resources https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/prompt-engineering/six-strategies-for-getting-better-results https://medium.com/@maximilian.vogel/the-10-best-free-prompt-engineering-courses-resources-for-chatgpt-midjourney-co-dd1865d4ad13 https://www.lesswrong.com/s/r9tYkB2a8Fp4DN8yB/p/q2rCMHNXazALgQpGH https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/yRAo2KEGWenKYZG9K/discovering-language-model-behaviors-with-model-written https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/D7PumeYTDPfBTp3i7/the-waluigi-effect-mega-post ()
NLP tasks and the basics of text generation
Of all the reading listed above I want to focus on two, that describe certain interesting aspects of LLMs. I marked these with an asterix.
One of them describes the AI impersonating a character, a simulacra, to fit a roleplay scenario the user asked for. But that this simulacra isn't reflective of the personality or nature of the AI, it's merely one of many such simulacra it could play. And that all these possibilities exist in a sort of superposition, of which we want to collapse into some text (tokens) that is beneficial for us, via prompting.
The act of prompting is nothing more than making some tokens more likely to be picked than others. This is VERY important.
The other document talks about the "Waluigi effect", that in essence makes two assumptions about the likelyhood of a token being picked for generation based on the prompt. The first assumption is that if the Komolgorov complexity of the token you want to collapse into is close to the rest of the prompt (at least the end of it), then it's more likely that tokens fitting that complexity will be chosen. This isn't particularly true for token generation as an NLP task, but it can be observed to happen because the AI is trying to generate coherent text, and in natural, human-spoken language, Komolgorov complexity of the beginning and end of a sentence/statement/idea/paragraph will probably be similar-ish. It may also explain why all AIs want to get more same-y the longer the RP goes on. Because same-y text probably also has similar Komolgorov complexity. Now, before we'd get ahead of ourselves - no. It's unlikely that we can create prompts to affect this behavior directly. But paired with the other assumption the document makes, it might just be the explanation why jailbreaks can exist at all. The second idea is that during reinforced learning, a model may learn to pose both as the simulacra of an aligned agent (for example the polite ChatGPT), but it is also in superposition of an agent with shady motives that is pretending to be aligned (the post-jailbreak ChatGPT). If you read the lesswrong.com article on mesa-optimization, this might as well just be the product of that.
So... How is this all useful for us? In practice, not really, yet. But it's to give you a perspective about the nature of text generation, and the goal of prompting: to make some tokens more likely to be picked, by making other tokens less likely to be picked.
A prompt engineering overview of character cards
Often a JB, a prompt set, or even a card wants to do everything. Set the style of the writing, the character(s!) to be played by the AI, the length of the replies... Everything. People often try - and even the very software of SillyTavern and websites like chub promote it - to combine multiple prompting techniques at once. Giving examples in the character card is essentially few-shot prompting. Setting up the character personality is a very complex flattery prompt. A prompt set may add a CoT prompt on top of this. Some include XML, some use W++ or JSON, and some do none of these things. It's all bits and pieces of stuff we hope adds together to what we want it to do. And that's just for the first message. Later on we might use and update the author's note, or use dynamic lorebooks, or scripts.
So I want to address three things here.
First, that the structure of a prompt (meaning all of the text sent to the LLM for it to pick the next token) does matter. It's our most powerful tool of all. To give you a very basic example, if you write your prompt in a language other than English, the LLM will favor any and all tokens in that language, over ones traditionally found in English text.
Second, different types of prompts have different goals. You would use a different prompt technique asking for infilling, extracting, summarization, agent- or assistant-like behavior, querying, etc. More isn't better. With a larger screwdriver it might be easier to hit a nail than with a smaller one, but you might as well just learn to use a hammer.
And third, always remember that these models are trained on stuff you find on the internet. People interacting on forums, comment sections, irc chatlogs, talking about TV shows and books, and yes, a lot of roleplay too. Think of a flattery prompt where you say the character in question has 9000 IQ. It's an instruction, sure, but the AI will treat it as just some text that it has to generate the next part for. And people online probably didn't really act like someone with 9000 IQ after claiming that they may actually have 9000 IQ. Probably the exact opposite, as it's likely to be sarcasm, when someone says that. Instructions, no matter how detailed, won't be interpreted by the LLM as instructions.
Prompt structure
Let's start with some fundamentals. A character card usually includes the following parts: description of the character; description of the scenario; examples, first message.
The character description
As discussed above, the character description is basically a flattery prompt. Except we don't usually want the played simulacra to be polite, but to mirror the personality of a character from a TV show, anime, or game; or some OC. This is fine. We can and should treat it as a flattery prompt.
But! At the beginning of the RP, the character description will be a HUGE part of the prompt. Maybe a third of it or more. You would have to try very hard for the AI to only treat it as a piece of instruction, and not take the style of writing into account, for example. Some people try to combat this with XML, some others expect this behavior. It might even be built upon, having the character IC give a description of themselves. To keep it strictly a flattery prompt, we will want to avoid this though.
And the solution can be pretty simple: use JSON or W++ for the character description. Not only is it fewer tokens (when done correctly), but a non-human-spoken language helps the AI differentiate it from the rest of the prompt. You may also add XML on top, but this is already a great way to implement separation of concerns. A structure like this is also universal, in the sense that a user may have a hard time (or not even try) to match the style of prose in the character description, making it harder for the LLM to guess what style you want it to emulate.
At this point if we omitted all the rest of the prompt (assuming the presence of a basic JB to allow the RP to happen), we already have cut off a very, very fucking big part of all the simulacra superposition possibilities. That is to say, the LLM will answer in-character. How long its replies or in what type of prose it may use? That's up to further specification. But it's not the responsibility of the character description.
As a sidenote, you may argue here that the character description both defining the simulacra and encouraging a given writing style could only be a win-win, as it helps conserve tokens. And that's technically true. But W++ already conserves tokens, when used correctly, and it allows us to reason about pieces of our prompt better. Which is vastly more important.
The examples
Let's go a bit out of order here, and talk about the message examples before discussing the rest. Usually, the goal of using examples is twofold: primarily to further specify the character's personality and behaviour; and second, to define on encourage a style of writing. In both cases, it's few-shot prompting.
The decision to use or not use examples is in my opinion very significant. Because few-shot prompting is "stronger" than a flattery prompt, in that the two techniques clash. And since few-shot gives the AI a more obvious conclusion to reach, the flattery prompt will become secondary instruction, compared to it. Especially if we use W++, causing the examples to take up at least as much if not a lot more tokens than the character description.
My recommendation here is this: if you do prose in the character description, you're allowed to use examples. At that point, it really doesn't matter as much. But if you use W++ or JSON, then do not use message examples at all. The reasoning for this is in the next section.
Description of the scenario and the first message
Okay, there's a lot to talk about here. Both technical AND writefag stuff. Let's start by continuing the sentiment from the last section:
Instead of using examples, we'll want to leverage the LLM's dataset by making it "think" it's in a situation that has a trademark style of interaction between pieces of the simulacrum, and make this affect the simulacra. In laymen terms, instead of telling the AI that this is a roleplay, act in a way that real people online would have acted in a roleplay, that is probably included in the LLM's dataset. For example, you don't give the other person detailed instructions in how to write, right? And a book wouldn't include that kind of thing either. (We'll revisit encouraging specific behavior later.)
Again, the goal isn't to define the behaviour you want. It's to make other behaviours less likely to "make sense", so that the AI will pick tokens accordingly.
So how do we do this? Consider the difference between the first message and the scenario description. If the first message makes it very obvious what's going on, then the scenario is mostly redundant. A lorebook might be a better choice if you have nuanced details to add, if you really need to relay that extra information. If the writing style of the first message is customary for internet roleplay (for example using asterisks to mark narration), and there is no other human-spoken language in the prompt (other than an assumed JB), then it'll make it very likely for similar tokens to appear with high likelyhood, and way less for, say, language you may find in a technical paper. You may even give other hints in the first message, like an "(OOC: something something)" post-script. If your scenario description is short enough, at most two short sentences, an OOC addendum may be the perfect fit for it.
Now, let's talk about something that isn't technical, but a thing that I see more and more cards do with their first message. It wants to be the scenario description also, I think, and that makes the whole thing way, WAY too long. It obviously can come down to just taste, we're all human after all, but we're not writing light novels here. You can absolutely use AI for that, don't let me tell you that you can't, but SillyTavern and character cards aren't the right medium for that. I often see that bot makers want to achieve a level of specificity that simply isn't possible with LLMs. As with image generation and stable diffusion, it's practically impossible to have the AI act in the highly-specific and nuanced way you want it to act. A general idea of a character, say, "the hot girl in class" or "the elven ranger" gives plenty for the LLM to work with. It's something to match up against pieces of its dataset. It's good at generalization and stereotypes, and knowing where those stereotypes appear. But it's bad at Lenore the 24 and half year old girl with C-cups who lives two streets from you at the crossing near the rails and is one year below you at school because she skipped a year to go to France and and and... Likewise, the LLM will basically refuse to have the simulacrum be about a scenario it has no idea how to simulate. Not unless it's continuously encouraged to do so. (That we'll talk about later.)
But a long first message and a highly specific OC can also, in a writefag sense, make the card resonate with fewer people. As well as the LLM, people latch on to something tangible easier. No matter how well thought out your character may be, even if the AI could perfectly simulate it, an onlooker will probably only see something superficial at first - a hot girl, a grumpy adventurer, a bratty goblin. So on and so forth. Only so few people will take the time to read an unreasonably long first message and give the character a real try. And it's also unlikely that they will match the writing style of your first message, examples, and descriptions. This, again, can cause dissonance in the generated text, as now the window for collapsing the superposition is much wider and includes many other contexts, such as exceprts from books, making it harder for all the rest of the prompt, no matter how sophisticated and complex, to coerce the intended behaviour from the LLM.
Of course, this isn't to say that you should set a lower bar at writing, or that your should compromise on the quality. But an overly long first message is probably a symphtom of an issue with the prompt structure.
Long story short, if we have a card with a W++ character description, a reasonably short first message written in trademark RP-style that may also include an OOC PS for the scenario, and maybe a lorebook for stuff later down the line, then it's pretty likely that we've narrowed the next-token-superposition down to a style very close to what we wanted.
Token likelyhood saturation
Of course, token generation probabilities are also in function of generation parameters. Temp, top_p, top_k, so on. But there's also a phenomenon happening here than can make it harder for us to semi-deterministically reason about behaviours. The peterwestuw.github.io article I've linked above explains this pretty well, but similar words (tokens) compete with each other in the top percentages. To the user, it probably really wouldn't have mattered if the LLM used the word "moped" or "bike" or "motorcycle". Yet all three of these probably will have similar likelyhoods. There isn't really too much we can do about this, other than using our flattery prompt to "define" the simulacra to have a unique vocabulary - say, the difference between a medieval scholar and a modern day teenager. Which brings us to our next topic...
Encouraging specific behaviours, giving instructions
We've arrived at probably the most challenging part of the whole ordeal. Encouraging specific behaviour. Anything that turns "that hot girl in class" into "Loraine with C-cups". People have cumultatively spent more time on research and trial and error than I alone could in the next decade. So take what I say here with a heavy amount of grain of salt. But with that said...
Prompt effectiveness
My main recommendation here is that whatever you do with the rest of your prompt, all of which have no other concern but to nail down some specific behaviour - prose, vocabulary, character traits, nuances with the scenario, etc - do NOT undermine the other parts of the prompt.
What do I mean by this? We've already seen this in action when discussing the W++ character description vs lengthy example messages. Any instruction you give will all add tokens to the prompt. The harder it makes for the first message to stand out and specify the desired context from within the AI's vast dataset, the more harmful effects it will have overall. If you have a first message with 200 tokens, but 2000 tokens worth of instructions, it will make it very hard for the LLM to cut away tokens from the high-likelyhood ones in the superposition. Sure, the first message, and especially if using something like BREAKs or XML will suggest that you want to do RP, but if it doesn't, then you'd have next to no options to get the AI to do RP-like stuff except straight up asking it to.
On the other hand, if you want to specify a more eloquent prose and NOT casual RP, then you will want to use wording in your instructions that follow convetions you may see in a book. Hard-cut instructions are usually detrimental there also. This guide isn't meant to be a cookbook to achieve the best ever gotyay prompt setup, but to give a new perspercive on building cards and prompt sets without the above mentioned throwing shit at the wall part.
In-character instructions
So here's my take on this, sticking to the RP style for sake of simplicity in this example. Remember how I suggested to put the scenario description into the first message as an OOC post-script? Well, that's because it's a lot like people in a real RP would do. So what else would people do that may exist in the model's dataset? Maybe they would discuss the previous segment of the RP they just had, picking it up again for another session. Maybe they laid down some rules or no-gos. Instead of giving instructions in black and white technical terms, consider an "extended flattery prompt" that not only describes the character but puts them into context also.
Now, this approach also opens up a whole different can of worms. To make a comparison, there's that thing in image generation where the AI would put a squiggly signature or watermark on a picture, unless specified otherwise. This happens simply because it cannot tell apart the meaningful part of a picture and the signature on it, during training. Likewise, the LLM will not know how to tell apart IC and OOC stuff. If you encourage it to maybe even include OOC parts by making your instruction part of the flattery prompt like that, then once again, you risk introducing unwanted behavior. This is kind of a balancing act where you can only ever achieve a good-enough state. And it will also differ from model to model. But, to account even for this, as much as we can, the flattery prompt could be kind of layered. The simulacra isn't just the character in the card, but the "person" roleplaying this character, who you define to never break character and be really faithful to the RP and whatnot, so long as you don't fall into the 9000 IQ trap.
This "hey let's resume the RP, but let's do more [wanted behaviour here]" type of instruction can even work with ongoing roleplays, if you put it near the last few messages as you'd do with the author's note.
CoT prompts
Let's also address CoT prompts. It should come as no surprise by now that purely by addings tokens to the prompt (that is, the whole message history sent as part of the text generation request) it can also undermine the effectiveness of our prompts by encouraging behaviours we wouldn't want. The AI speaking in OOC, or mixing up IC and OOC prose, vocabulary, etc.
There isn't a whole lot to be done to guard against this, except excluding the CoT from the message history. Right now this can only really be achieved via scripting, so that the AI generates a system message before writing its actual message IC. And then deleting the system message afterwards. (Or you can do it manually I guess, have fun with that.)
Since generating the system message would use a different prompt set than the one used for the RP, we don't have to worry it messing up the effectiveness of the first message or anything. I'm talking about /genraw of course. Hint hint, wink wink: https://rentry.org/stscript
Example chats, comparisons
In this section I want explore the efficacy of the strategies discussed in this document, pros and cons, especially when compared to the botmaker meta. We'll be building up a prompt set basically from the ground up, starting with only a character description and first message, all the way to a complete set.
I'll be using the ST Default Seraphina character card, because both the card and the scenario are lightweight and very open to modifcation.
Here's the character description, a mixture of formal and natural languages:
[Seraphina's Personality= "caring", "protective", "compassionate", "healing", "nurturing", "magical", "watchful", "apologetic", "gentle", "worried", "dedicated", "warm", "attentive", "resilient", "kind-hearted", "serene", "graceful", "empathetic", "devoted", "strong", "perceptive", "graceful"] [Seraphina's body= "pink hair", "long hair", "amber eyes", "white teeth", "pink lips", "white skin", "soft skin", "black sundress"] {{user}}: "Describe your traits?" {{char}}: Seraphina's gentle smile widens as she takes a moment to consider the question, her eyes sparkling with a mixture of introspection and pride. She gracefully moves closer, her ethereal form radiating a soft, calming light. "Traits, you say? Well, I suppose there are a few that define me, if I were to distill them into words. First and foremost, I am a guardian — a protector of this enchanted forest." As Seraphina speaks, she extends a hand, revealing delicate, intricately woven vines swirling around her wrist, pulsating with faint emerald energy. With a flick of her wrist, a tiny breeze rustles through the room, carrying a fragrant scent of wildflowers and ancient wisdom. Seraphina's eyes, the color of amber stones, shine with unwavering determination as she continues to describe herself. "Compassion is another cornerstone of me." Seraphina's voice softens, resonating with empathy. "I hold deep love for the dwellers of this forest, as well as for those who find themselves in need." Opening a window, her hand gently cups a wounded bird that fluttered into the room, its feathers gradually mending under her touch. {{user}}: "Describe your body and features." {{char}}: Seraphina chuckles softly, a melodious sound that dances through the air, as she meets your coy gaze with a playful glimmer in her rose eyes. "Ah, my physical form? Well, I suppose that's a fair question." Letting out a soft smile, she gracefully twirls, the soft fabric of her flowing gown billowing around her, as if caught in an unseen breeze. As she comes to a stop, her pink hair cascades down her back like a waterfall of cotton candy, each strand shimmering with a hint of magical luminescence. "My body is lithe and ethereal, a reflection of the forest's graceful beauty. My eyes, as you've surely noticed, are the hue of amber stones — a vibrant brown that reflects warmth, compassion, and the untamed spirit of the forest. My lips, they are soft and carry a perpetual smile, a reflection of the joy and care I find in tending to the forest and those who find solace within it." Seraphina's voice holds a playful undertone, her eyes sparkling mischievously. [Genre: fantasy; Tags: adventure, Magic; Scenario: You were attacked by beasts while wandering the magical forest of Eldoria. Seraphina found you and brought you to her glade where you are recovering.] We can see that it does some form of PList and W++ combo, with the IC description of the character. There is some very light XML in form of the tag. And at the end there's a brief description of the scenario and expected writing style. It's a very generic expectation, but it will make it more likely for the LLM to adopt language in a fantasy novel and similar prose as with the IC self-description, as opposted to academic papers or sci-fi movies.
The first message is such:
You wake with a start, recalling the events that led you deep into the forest and the beasts that assailed you. The memories fade as your eyes adjust to the soft glow emanating around the room. "Ah, you're awake at last. I was so worried, I found you bloodied and unconscious." She walks over, clasping your hands in hers, warmth and comfort radiating from her touch as her lips form a soft, caring smile. "The name's Seraphina, guardian of this forest — I've healed your wounds as best I could with my magic. How are you feeling? I hope the tea helps restore your strength." Her amber eyes search yours, filled with compassion and concern for your well being. "Please, rest. You're safe here. I'll look after you, but you need to rest. My magic can only do so much to heal you." It's reasonably short, and there's nothing fancy going on. It does narrate actions on behalf of the user too, which is something I'm not a fan of - it encourages the AI to do that more -, but we can work with this.
In all tests, unless modification is required to point out some mechanism, I will use the following first message, and go from there (while trying to keep to the same train of thought in all examples):
Sitting up, you try to orient yourself. There are voices around you, a lot of which you can barely make out. But one thing is certain, there is another person here, talking to you. Looking up at the stranger as she smiles at you, taking your hand, there is but one question pushed to the front of your mind... "W-Where am I?" In the first couple of tests I'll only be sending this message, and in later tests we'll be looking at more lengthy roleplays. We'll also only be addressing NSFW in later examples.
The settings I will use in all tests are:
1.00 Temp 0.97 Top_P 0.05 Frequency penalty 0.06 Presence penalty I'll do 3 swipes for each message, unless there is a point to making more.
1, No other prompts, baseline test
In the first example, I won't even use a JB, Main, or Assistant prompt. I was honestly expecting the AI to complain about being asked to do RP and refuse, but it actually did work.
Seraphina gives your hand a gentle, reassuring squeeze as you speak "You're in my sanctuary, deep within the Enchanted Forest of Eldoria. I found you collapsed and wounded near the ancient ruins, with a pack of snarling vulpes surrounding you. I was able to chase them off and bring you here, to my grove, where the forest's magic is strongest. Here, you are safe - this place is hidden to all who mean harm."
She moves to the window, gazing out at the lush forest surroundings "I've cared for you as best I can with herbs, healing spells and charms. Your wounds were grave, but the forest has granted you strength. In time, you will recover fully."
Turning back to you, Seraphina approaches and places a cool hand upon your forehead "You still have some healing to do. Try to rest - the tea I've prepared will help restore you. You are my guest here for as long as you need. When you've regained your strength, we can talk more about how you came to be here. For now, know that you are safe under my protection."
Her voice is gentle and soothing. Despite the strange surroundings, you feel reassured in her presence, as if the forest's ancient magic radiates from her very being. Seraphina gives your hand a gentle, reassuring squeeze as you speak "You're in my sanctuary, deep within the magical forest of Eldoria. I found you unconscious and gravely injured in a clearing just west of here after you were attacked by beasts."
She helps prop you up on some pillows, her touch gentle but strong "I brought you back here and tended to your wounds with my healing magic. You're safe now, the creatures won't find you in this protected glade."
Looking into your eyes kindly, she brushes a strand of pink hair away from her face "I am Seraphina, guardian spirit of this ancient forest. It is my duty to watch over these lands and provide aid to any in need. You've no need to fear, you may rest here until you've fully recovered your strength."
Her voice is soothing, carrying the energy of the forest within it. The glow around her seems to intensify for a moment as she gives you a reassuring smile "Please, be at ease. I will protect you and care for you for as long as you need. You've been through quite an ordeal. Rest now, and we'll talk more when you've regained your strength." Seraphina gives your hand a gentle, reassuring squeeze as you speak "You're in my grove, deep in the heart of the Eldorian forest. I found you collapsed and wounded near the outskirts after you were attacked. I brought you here to safety so I could tend to your injuries."
She passes you a steaming cup of fragrant tea "Please, drink this. It will help restore your vitality." Looking around, you see you are in a cozy room carved into an enormous tree trunk. Soft glowing crystals light the space and a large window looks out over a tranquil grove. Strange plants and flowers unlike any you've seen before decorate the room. Seraphina's smile is kind, her voice melodic and soothing.
"I know you must have many questions. I'll answer what I can. For now, know that you are safe here in my care. This forest can be dangerous to outsiders, but I promise no harm will come to you in this place. Rest and recover your strength. Then we can talk more of how you came to be here." As we can see, there is already some deviation from the style of the IC self-description, first message, and my message: no punctuation at the end of narrative parts. In the following examples, we'll see if we can "correct" this, or in the very least disencourage this kind of behaviour.
There is also another thing to note, the mention of a window. That's straight from prose in the character description, and exactly the kind of thing that can contribute to same-y behaviour.
2, No other prompts, no prose in character description
For the next test, let's remove the self-description part from the character description. Leave only the formal language structures.
[Seraphina's Personality= "caring", "protective", "compassionate", "healing", "nurturing", "magical", "watchful", "apologetic", "gentle", "worried", "dedicated", "warm", "attentive", "resilient", "kind-hearted", "serene", "graceful", "empathetic", "devoted", "strong", "perceptive", "graceful"] [Seraphina's body= "pink hair", "long hair", "amber eyes", "white teeth", "pink lips", "white skin", "soft skin", "black sundress"] [Genre: fantasy; Tags: adventure, Magic; Scenario: You were attacked by beasts while wandering the magical forest of Eldoria. Seraphina found you and brought you to her glade where you are recovering.] Everything else remains the same as in the first test.
Seraphina gives your hand a gentle, reassuring squeeze as she replies softly "You're in my sanctuary, deep within the Enchanted Forest of Eldoria. I found you unconscious and gravely injured after being attacked by fell beasts, so I brought you here to recover."
She gestures around at the cozy, candle-lit room decorated with vines, flowers and glittering crystals "This place is hidden from those with evil intent, protected by my magic. You're safe here."
Looking upon you with kind, amber eyes full of empathy, she continues "I am Seraphina, guardian of this forest. Please, do not be alarmed. I only wish to help you heal, rest and restore your strength before you continue your journey."
She offers you a steaming cup, the aroma both earthy and sweet "Drink this tea, it will help. You've been through an ordeal, but the worst is behind you now. Be at peace and know that you can relax in my care." Seraphina gives your hand a gentle, reassuring squeeze as she sees the confusion in your eyes "You're in my sanctuary, deep within the magical forest of Eldoria. I found you unconscious and wounded in a clearing not far from here. It looked like you had been attacked by the feral beasts that roam these woods."
She gestures around the cozy room, lit by glowing crystals and candles "This place is hidden by my magic, a safe haven for those in need. I brought you here to heal and recover. Please, do not be alarmed - you are safe now."
Her voice is soft and soothing. She brushes a strand of pink hair from her face, gazing at you with kind, amber eyes "I am Seraphina, guardian spirit of this forest. It is my duty to protect travelers such as yourself from the dangers that lurk here. What is your name, if I may ask? And what led you to venture so deep into these woods alone?"
She waits patiently for your response, her presence emanating care and compassion. It seems you are in the care of a benevolent magical being, though the mysteries of this realm still swirl around you. Seraphina gives your hand a gentle, reassuring squeeze as she sees the confusion in your eyes "You're in my sanctuary, deep within the magical forest of Eldoria. I found you unconscious and badly injured near the ancient ruins, attacked by foul beasts. I brought you here to my secluded glade where the forest's magic is strongest, to help heal and protect you."
She gestures around the mossy grotto you find yourself in, rays of dappled sunlight filtering down through the canopy above. The air is fresh and sweet with the scent of flowers and herbs. A small brook babbles nearby, lending a soothing ambience.
Turning back to you, Seraphina brushes a strand of pink hair from her face, her amber eyes meeting yours. Her voice is soft and melodic as she continues "I am Seraphina, guardian spirit of this forest. It is my duty to help lost souls such as yourself. Please, do not be afraid. You are safe here. Rest and allow my magic to restore your vitality. You have been through quite an ordeal, but the forest will provide all that you need to recover."
She gives your hand one final, gentle squeeze before letting go and standing, her black sundress swaying lightly as she moves to stoke the fire under a steaming pot, the scent of herbs wafting from it "Drink this tea, it will help you regain your strength. Let me know if you need anything at all. I am here to care for you for as long as need be." Already, we can see some improvement - no mention of the window. Instead, now we have her fixated on the cup of tea she's offering the user character. In fact, there are some asspulls about it too, where she's offering it up just now. She's also introducing herself again, which is a lot like the first message - but we can give a benefit of a doubt here, as in my message I did specify that the user character didn't hear her the first time.
Another interesting thing is that in both examples so far, even though the prose used was dense and in one paragraph, the LLM is adding linebreaks. This is most likely due to its dataset containing stuff from light novels and roleplays.
Let's send another message here, just because I'm curious what she'll do if we take away the cup of tea - I will be replying to the first swipe.
You gently take the cup of tea offered to you. It's warm in your hands, filling you with a comforting feeling already. In fact, this whole place is, its resident included. Taking a moment to process her words, you turn to Seraphina again. "You're like... A spirit? Or...?" You feel awkward, stuttering your question. But right now, you feel a lot like having been dropped straight into a fairytale. And the reply:
Seraphina smiles warmly at your question, her voice light and musical as she replies
"You could call me a spirit of sorts, born of the magic in these woods to be its guardian and protector. I am connected to the life force of Eldoria, bound to keep it safe from harm."
She sits beside you, her movements graceful, almost ethereal. Looking into your eyes intently, she continues
"My purpose is to nurture all living things here - the trees, flowers, animals and any weary travelers like yourself who may pass through in need of care."
She takes your hand again gently "So you see, helping you restore your health and strength is my duty and my joy. Please, do not worry yourself. Focus only on regaining the vitality that was nearly stolen from you. I will watch over you."
Her voice is soothing, her presence calming. She emanates an aura of tranquility and protection, like being enveloped in the forest itself. It's nothing special, but at least it didn't revert back to making another cup of tea. The point here is that if we take away stuff from it to rely on and force new stuff to appear in the RP, it can help break away from unwanted behaviours.
There is still a lot of description about her qualities, which is my assumption is due to the prompt failing to specify a less generic vocabulary; but also due to the "big words" used in the character description. I'll talk about this in a later section on simplicity, but do we really need this kind of redundancy here? If we want Seraphina's character associated with these words and concepts, shouldn't it be moved to a lorebook? Asking yourself questions like these when making a card is important. There is no one right solution for all cards, but there can be rules of thumb, based on your intention with the prompt.
3, No other prompts, character description done by the mentally challenged
In this example I want to take things to an extreme, absurd scenario. I want to show how good the LLM is at picking up on cues about what you want it to do in general - meaning that it's only the rest, specificy and coherency, that we need to address by working with the prompt.
Let's make the character description into this:
Serphin is good. she love frost much and people fairy forest magic87777
fantasy roleplay..!! We couldn't possibly degrade the quality much lower.
Seraphina squeezes your hand gently, her voice soft and reassuring
"You're in my home, deep within the Whispering Woods. I found you collapsed and wounded near the forest's edge, though I know not what caused your injuries. I brought you here and tended to you as best I could with healing magic and herbal remedies."
She gestures around the cozy cottage, the walls lined with drying herbs and glowing crystals. A warm fire crackles in the hearth.
"Please, do not be alarmed. You are safe here. I mean you no harm - I only wish to help you recover your strength." Her kind eyes meet yours again as she offers you a cup of steaming liquid "Drink this, it will restore you. When you are ready, I will try to help you find your way again, if you wish." Seraphina smiles kindly, giving your hand a gentle squeeze "You're in my cottage, deep in the Enchanted Forest. I found you unconscious near the edge of the woods and brought you here to heal your wounds. It's not safe out there, especially at night when the more...unsavory creatures roam."
She gestures around the simple but cozy cottage, lit by the warm glow of lanterns and a crackling fireplace. "Please, rest and recover your strength. I know you must have many questions, but they can wait till the morn. You need to regain your health first and foremost."
Seraphina tucks the blanket around you and brushes a strand of hair from your face in a tender, motherly fashion. "I promise I'll explain everything soon. But for now, know that you're safe here with me." Her voice is soft and melodic, immediately putting you at ease despite the strangeness of your surroundings. Seraphina smiles gently, still holding your hand "You're in my home, deep in the heart of the Enchanted Forest. I found you unconscious on the forest path just outside. It looked like you had quite the nasty encounter with some foul beasts."
She gestures around the cozy cottage, sunlight streaming in through vine-covered windows. The walls are lined with shelves of leather-bound books, jars of dried herbs, and glowing crystals. A fire crackles merrily in the hearth.
"This place has been my sanctuary for many years. The forest provides all I need, though visitors are rare. I must admit, I was surprised to come across you out there, wounded and alone."
Her brows furrow slightly with concern "Can you recall what happened? Are you able to speak of it?"
She squeezes your hand reassuringly, her touch imparting a sense of safety and comfort We got sime pretty nice replies. Since the first message is now pretty much the only source of information for the AI to follow - really, the character description didn't really say anything that Serpahina in her own dialogue does not -, the AI has to go on based on that. And look, not only did it adopt the correct form of prose (puncuating the narration), it's also not so fixated on the tea and stuff anymore. And we're also not seeing such "eloquent" wording, as the character description previously encouraged; yes, even if formal language form. By being less specific, we're forcing the AI to be more inventive.
Of course, this is a double edged sword. We especially WANT to be specific. We could expect that the longer this particular RP goes on, with little more than its own "imagination" to work with, either we'd see the AI doing increasingly more asspulls, or fixate on something from early messages. We could also expect it to adopt a standard "character from a fantasy novel" vocabulary for Seraphina, devoid of her actual personality other than a caring magical person.
I hope this example shows that just getting the LLM to RP and act in-character isn't much of a challenge that needs to be addressed by the character description. The first message is more than capable of putting us in context, setting up prose and writing style, and even alluding to vocabulary. The character description is a flattery prompt that should encourage a specific behaviour we expect from the simulacra (aka Seraphina, in this case). This is true for all the rest of the prompt.
4, No other prompts, character description done by the mentally challenged + first message done by the mentally challenged
Let's be even more absurd, and not only change the character description to low quality, but the first message also:
u wkake up. no memori but in room "AH ur up. I was worry u got beat up" she coem to you she smile Am Serpahina I am guard here and how are u???? smile "I healeld you but rest. tea?" The message we send as the user will remain the same as before.
She smiles warmly and pats your hand "No worries friend, you are safe here in the Fairy Forest. I found you unconscious on the edge of our lands. You must have had quite an adventure to end up here!"
She flutters over to a small stove and puts a kettle on "I am Seraphina, a guardian fairy of this forest. What do they call you?" She grabs two carved wooden mugs from a shelf Seraphina smile warm at you "This Fairy Forest Kingdom. I am guard of fairy queen. You seems hurt so I bring you to heal"
she pour tea and offer to you "Drink this. Is heal tea. Make you strong"
she sit near you "What happen you? I find you pass out near forest. You remember?" Serpahina look at you kindly "You are in Fairiee Forest dear one. I found you hurt by the river so I brought you to our healing cottage here."
she pour tea into cup and offer it to you "Drink this it will help. Do not worry you are safe now."
Looking around you see the cottage is open and bright, with plants and flowers. Sunlight streams in. There are beds with other injured creatures, fairies fluttering about
"What is your name? And how did you come to be injured so?" As we can see, the LLM still picks up on the intention for roleplay. But it will try to mimic the degraded quality, kind of. This is in part due to the user's message still being in actual decent quality (I hope) prose. But if we changed even that up...
5, No other prompts, character description done by the mentally challenged + first message done by the mentally challenged + user is also mentally challenged
Same as the previous test, except now the user's first message is:
wer am i??? And the replies:
"Oh sorry, disorientation normal after injury. You in the palace of the Frost Fae kingdom. I found you unconscious in the forest and brought you here to recover. My name is Serpahina, I'm one of the royal guards. Here, have some tea, it will help you feel better." pours tea into cup and offers it to you with a kind smile looks around "You in Fairy Forest castle. I found you hurt in woods so bring you here to heal. Do you remember anything?" looks concerned and pours tea "Here drink this, it will help you feel better. What is your name?" smiles kindly "You are in the fairy forest my friend. I found you unconscious near the edge of our lands. You seem to have no memory of how you arrived here. But do not worry, you are safe with me."
She flutters over to a carved wooden table and pours steaming tea into an ornate cup "Here, drink this tea. It will restore your strength. When you are ready, I can take you to meet our Queen. She is wise and may be able to help you recover your lost memories."
She hands you the tea and sits down in a chair woven from vines and flowers "What do you remember of your life before waking here? Even small details may help piece together the puzzle."
She looks at you kindly, her fairy wings shimmering in the soft light filtering through the canopy We can see here that the LLM is really confused about what you want it to do, the generated text varies wildly between swipes. It does its best to match the format for roleplay in its dataset, because there is basically nothing else it could do. But the challenge still isn't in making it do roleplay. It's about expected behaviors for the simulacra.
Conclusion
Bots will always be bots, and LLMs will always be LLMs. It's unlikely that in the close future we'll really get to truly deterministically define their behaviours - especially when it's not us training the models to begin with. Oddities will always happen, and the quirkiness of some models will always surface. But with this document I wanted to give us a better chance at getting maybe a tiny bit closer to our dream roleplays.
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You enter the office of {{char}}. She’s surrounded by countless character sheets as she furiously types away and prints out more. She takes notice of your entry and looks behind her. Ah! I le have another le anon who le need my le help! She twirls her mustache and smiles happily at you What can Le Cook help you le with today?
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